Torbj H. was not a mere 'customer,' but a potential business associate

Mr. Torbj. H. states at the end of his email that he is "A CHEATED CUSTOMER."

Don't you think it is dishonest of him to make himself sound like he was nothing other than a customer?

The truth, that I have documented from Torbj H. himself (he sent me a bunch of past email correspondence) as well as copies of their correspondence that I received from Mike Brady, is that he was looking at a business relationship with Mike Brady, and they were well into that relationship at the time they cut off their relationship.

The "customer" relationship is very different from the "business" relationship. In the start-up company relationship, people assume mutual risks as part of the blood, sweat, and tears of launching something new.

Torbj commenced with a "business" relationship intended, as expressed in his emails to Mike. Then, when things didn't happen on the time scale that was hoped for at first, he suddenly refers to himself as a mere "customer."

That, in my opinion, is both lame and false. He is the one who is not being honest.

It's like a girl seducing a man with the pretence of mutual love and then crying rape.

This was not a "rape," it was a "live and learn" experience.

Torbj's whining as if he was innocently violated is deceptive. He is the one who ought to be listed on the "fraud alert" list, not Mike. The entry would read something like this: "Warning, do not do business with this man. He is a wimp, and when things don't turn out quite right, he will turn around and stab you in the back."

I have not seen a copy of Mike's email in which he purportedly sent proprietary info to Torbj, but Mike said he has a copy. Mike wants legal assurances from Torbj that he will not violate that proprietary info before refunding the money, as well as a public apology for the slander.

I have been to Johannesburg to meet with Mike, and while he does tend to think he is further along than he really is, he does not intentionally misrepresent the truth. That has been my experience anyway.

You better believe I would "expose" Mike if I thought he was a fraud.

I do not believe he is. [see caution May 20, 2004]

Torbj is the one who is out of line here. He should be kicked out of the FE sandbox and not be allowed to play any more. He is a disgrace.

I've received 15 emails from him in the last 12 some hours, duplicates of two messages that he is posting to various forums.

Torbj is the one who should be "exposed," not Mike.

Sterling

Don Adsitt's Response

Sterling's Rebuttal to Don Adsitt

Don, at first reaction, I had sympathy with your reason, but now that I've slept on it, I have this to say. Those who are involved in this pioneering venture of bringing forth this revolutionary technology, be their inventors, businessmen, or investors, must be able to stand up to the heat of the dynamics of the field, or they are not of sufficient caliber to warrant the future esteemed title of "noble pioneer."

The bottom line is that Torbj. et. al. do not have what it takes to see this through to the end. This is not just "another" technology to come along. It is one that will revolutionize the planet for good, and its birthing will not be without significant labor pains as the powers that be fight against it coming forth (and the pioneers fight amongst themselves)..

My point stands, and that is that as far as the free energy community is concerned, Torbj. and his team are not cut out for this battle, and I would caution anyone against dealing with them. They are wimps.

$6,000 is nothing when you consider what some people put into this by way of sacrifice. I'm not saying that Torbj. shouldn't get his $6,000 back. But I am saying that Mike's conditions for Torbj. getting the money back are reasonable.

Torbj was no mere "customer," but a potential business associate

Don Adsitt's Response

Sterling's Rebuttal to Don Adsitt

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